'Conversational pace' is a term referring to a running speed that is easy enough to allow for an unstrained conversation. Running at this speed for longer periods of time builds an aerobic base and is a crucial part of endurance training. This video and sound work focuses on breath, tempo, and on-the-run conversations with other runners who, like the artist, took up endurance sports as adults.

The current version of the work follows the artist running a 27:43 5K during a parkrun in Hasenheide Park in Berlin, where she placed 68th out of 159 participants, but only 9th among women. The soundtrack combines the sound of heavy breathing—far beyond conversational pace—recorded during the race with snippets of a conversation with Mark, an ultrarunner, recorded on the exact same route during an easy run several weeks earlier.

A contemplation of what exactly we are to endure, and a peek into safe havens of agency where the flow state cannot be alienated, the high is relatively safe and fentanyl-free, and the effort is scalable and the payoff predictable—feelings hardly found elsewhere in today's economy.